On Translating Franca Mancinelli

On Translating Franca Mancinelli

by John Taylor

Once a translation is finished and a few years have gone by, it is not always easy to recover all the thinking that governed the choice of one English word instead of another one. But let me try.


The following remarks were initially formulated as responses to questions about translation asked by students in an Italian literature and language class in the Romance Studies Department of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. This fruitful exchange took place during a Zoom reading and discussion titled Franca Mancinelli: Translating from the Invisible, which was organized by their teacher, Matteo Meloni, on 10 April 2023. Both Franca Mancinelli and our publisher, Paul B. Roth of The Bitter Oleander Press, participated.


Franca Mancinelli and I met by chance in late 2017 at a literary conference in Ljubljana, Slovenia, to which we had both been invited. During our conversations there, we quickly understood that our respective literary approaches shared common stylistic concerns and similar themes. We even discovered that we had closely read some of the same essential poets, notably Rainer Maria Rilke, Cesare Pavese, and T.S. Eliot, and that in Eliot we had both been fascinated by the same lines in his Four Quartets: โ€œIn my beginning is my end. […] In my end is my beginning.โ€ Upon leaving the conference, when I read the manuscript of her book Libretto di transito, which had not yet been published, I immediately wanted to translate it. It struck me as a deep and essential book, and I put aside other projects to begin work on it. The English translation, The Little Book of Passage, was in fact published by The Bitter Oleander Press in 2018 only a few months after the Italian edition was issued.


Although some translators prefer to work without any intervention whatsoever from the poet whom they are translating, except perhaps for asking two or three specific questions about a rare word or an unclear passage, I always seek, whenever possible, a dialogue with the poets and writers whom I translate. It strikes me as essential to listen carefully to their explanations, even if I must make the final decisions in the end. Understanding the other poet more precisely also improves oneโ€™s chances of translating better; it helps one to acquire a deeper knowledge of the foreign poetโ€™s vocabulary, notably of why certain key-words are so crucialโ€”in Francaโ€™s case, words like โ€œfault lines,โ€ โ€œruins,โ€ โ€œopenness,โ€ โ€œhome,โ€ โ€œtrees,โ€ โ€œbirth,โ€ โ€œlistening,โ€ โ€œblood,โ€ โ€œbody,โ€ โ€œseeds,โ€ โ€œroots,โ€ not to mention the polysemic Italian word โ€œcustodiaโ€ (whose meanings range from โ€œcaretakingโ€ and โ€œcustodianshipโ€ to โ€œsafekeepingโ€ and โ€œwatching over,โ€ etc.). Franca and I have enjoyed this kind of dialogue from the very onset. We discuss everything from commas to etymologies, from word order to enjambments, from syllabics to alliteration. This dialogue fills the margins of the translation manuscripts that fly back and forth between us โ€œlike flocks of birdsโ€โ€”another favorite image of hersโ€”sometimes as many as fourteen or fifteen times until all the final adjustments have been made and, hopefully, the best solutions have been found.



The question of translating a metaphor when there is no exact equivalence raises the issue of the โ€œdoseโ€ of โ€œforeignnessโ€ or โ€œxenityโ€โ€”Iโ€™m thinking of the Greek root xenos, โ€œforeignโ€โ€”that it might be important, in a subtle way, to introduce into a translation. Some translators, and indeed some editors, think that a foreign text should be completely โ€œEnglished,โ€ in other words, that idiomatic English equivalents should be found for every single unusual or untranslatable foreign expression or metaphor. This is a necessary rule of thumb, but my personal viewpoint is more nuanced in certain situations.

For example, Franca sometimes uses the adjective โ€œoriginario.โ€ It’s a key word for her because it represents her effort to get back to the origins of phenomena, to their source, their emergence, their โ€œbirthโ€ (another key term for her). Bilingual dictionaries instruct me to render this Italian adjective, depending on the context, as โ€œoriginal,โ€ โ€œprimitive,โ€ โ€œprimal,โ€ and so on. But although these English adjectives give the general sense, it occurred to me one day, as I was writing my translatorโ€™s introduction to At an Hourโ€™s Sleep from Here, that it might be better to use the word โ€œoriginaryโ€ because it would bring my English closer to herโ€”indeed originalโ€”way of thinking. Although the word โ€œoriginaryโ€ is considered archaic, it remains in the dictionariesโ€”so why not rehabilitate it? It is more precise than โ€œoriginal,โ€ which has a few other meanings not really present in Francaโ€™s use of her Italian word. And yet, when this Italian adjective cropped up five times in The Butterfly Cemetery, I ultimately chose to translate it with โ€œoriginalโ€ or โ€œprimal,โ€ depending on the context. Such are the enthusiasms and doubts of a translator, ever hesitating between boldness and idiomatic usage.


Let me give an example related to the problem of metaphors. A beautiful metaphor appears in one of Francaโ€™s recent poems. In a poem about the potter Antonella Sabatiniโ€™s terracotta artwork, which Franca admires and with which she senses affinities, she writes, with respect to Sabatini, โ€œalla luce dai ogni forma,โ€ therefore punning with the expression โ€œdare alla luce,โ€ a literal โ€œgiving to the lightโ€ that also indicates โ€œbeing born.โ€ In English, โ€œyou give to the lightโ€ doesnโ€™t really indicate birth, at least not idiomatically, so in my translation I used a perhaps less obvious verb, โ€œto deliver,โ€ as in delivering a baby, to try to catch the double meaning and preserve some of the Italian expression: โ€œto the light you deliver every shape.โ€ By the way, you can listen to Franca discussing her poetry and reading some of her poems, as she is sitting in the potterโ€™s studio, in a video made by Stefano Massari and Carlotta Cicci in March 2023 as part of their Zona/ Disforme project devoted to contemporary Italian poets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQlLHrE_PjA


@ zona|disforme – Carlotta Cicci Stefano Massari

Thank you for this precise question about why I chose to use the word โ€œruins,โ€ instead of โ€œcollapse,โ€ in the second line of the poem โ€œho smesso di regerre I muri / โ€œIโ€™ve stopped holding up walls.โ€ Here is the entire poem in both languages:

Iโ€™ve stopped holding up walls,
give myself over to the ruins

Iโ€™m starting up again, reduced
I return to what I am:
a lizard that halves itself
with death.

ho smesso di reggere i muri
donandomi ai crolli

ricomincio, abbreviata
torno a quello che sono:
una lucertola che si divide
a metaฬ€ con la morte.

Once a translation is finished and a few years have gone by, it is not always easy to recover all the thinking that governed the choice of one English word instead of another one. But let me try.

For the translator, the choice of a word involves not only the bilingual dictionaryโ€”the two or three words that present themselves as suitable equivalents for the foreign wordโ€”but also the context around the word, the line or lines preceding or following it, even other poems in the same series or book, and also sometimes the foreign poetโ€™s sensibility and his or her main themes, philosophical concerns, key words.

In this particular case, the initial image is quite concrete: โ€œthe wallsโ€. In the next line, the Italian wordโ€”โ€œcrolliโ€โ€”is in the plural. I preferred to avoid โ€œcollapsesโ€ or, for instance, the paraphrastic form โ€œwhat has collapsed,โ€ for stylistic, grammatical, and phonetic reasons: they filled the mouth too much, as it were, and in this plural spelling, โ€œcollapsesโ€ arguably occurs much more often as a verb in the third-person singular tense than as a nounโ€”so perhaps some graphic confusion, for the reader, could momentarily arise. Secondly, if I used โ€œcollapseโ€ in the singular case, which sometimes happens in a translation (especially between two languages in which singular and plural forms, or definite and indefinite articles, do not always function in the same way), then the word โ€œcollapseโ€ remains a process, not a result (as is the case with โ€œruinsโ€). Moreover, this process of โ€œcollapseโ€ in the singular case made me think of โ€œphysical collapse,โ€ โ€œmental collapseโ€. This theme is present in this poem, of course, for one of Francaโ€™s major themes is that of transforming misfortune or inner distressโ€”something negativeโ€”into a โ€œnew possibility of vision,โ€ as she puts it in her essay โ€œA Book of Poetry: A Living Structure,โ€ from The Butterfly Cemetery: โ€œ[. . .] a book of poetry is a lighting point, a possibility of vision: a brightness that reaches zones which, just beforehand, were inaccessible. [. ..] I write when something from the darkness beckons to be watched.โ€ But it seemed to me that this solutionโ€”โ€œcollapseโ€ in the singularโ€”which would have these immediate physical and psychological connotations, would perhaps provide a too facile image; in fact, it might restrict the reader to a psychological interpretation of the poem. This is when โ€œruinsโ€ emerged as an alternative: the word is concrete; it is used elsewhere in Francaโ€™s poetry; it goes well with โ€œwallsโ€; there is a graceful rhythmic alliteration between the โ€œrโ€ of โ€œoverโ€ and the โ€œrโ€ of โ€œruinsโ€ (โ€œgive myself over to the ruinsโ€); and, in addition, although the word โ€œruinsโ€ is concrete and factual, it is paradoxically more โ€œopen,โ€ for it can also be construed as a metaphor, therefore perhaps opening up the poem to other kinds of interpretations. In any event, this play between factuality and semantic openness is one of my constant challenges when I translate Francaโ€™s poetry.


@ zona|disforme – Carlotta Cicci Stefano Massari

When one translates poetry, the order of the wordsโ€”the syntaxโ€”is nearly always essential because it represents the sequence of perceptions, thoughts, and emotions experienced by the poet. This sequence represents how we experience the world. As a starting point for each new translation, I always try to respect the order of the words. However, this intention can run up against impossibilities, from the idiomatic point of view, namely because English syntax is much less free than Italian syntaxโ€”and, in general, less free than the syntax of many other languagesโ€”because of our lack of grammatical markers. We donโ€™t have masculine and feminine markers, except for possessive pronouns, and although we have an elaborate verb system, with many tenses, within that system we have only one marker for the third-person singular; and our adjectives have no markers attaching them to nouns; and so on. Many simple English lexemes, in their nearly unique spelling, can function as verbs, nouns, adjectives, and even adverbs, depending on the syntactic context. Therefore, we need to align our words in a way that will make it clear how adjectives are attached to nouns, how subjects and adverbs are attached to verbs, what the direct object of a verb is, etc.

Modern English syntax thus tends to be a linear progression, whereas in many other languages, and notably Italian, grammatical markers can enable a poet to attach a word back to another word that has appeared a few words beforehand. This affects, for example, such problems as enjambments, or, inversely, the necessity of โ€œblockingโ€ an enjambment. Moreover, sometimes, syntactically, what seems perfectly natural and logical to an Italian will seem, if translated literally, โ€œfloweryโ€ or โ€œarchaicโ€ to an English reader. Italian stems from the extraordinary concision of Latin, with its profusion of grammatical markers, whereas English is a Germanic language which, over the centuries, has lost nearly all its Old English grammatical markers and yet which has retained the natural tendency of Germanic languages to place the important semantic elements towards the end of the phraseโ€”a tendency also affecting the mirroring of the foreign word order when one translates. All these factors come into account in the โ€œjugglingโ€ that a translator must sometimes do if he or she nonetheless wishes to reflect, in the same order, the most essential elements of the original Italian syntax. In the opening sentence of one of the texts of The Little Book of Passage, I decided to invert the original syntax, indeed probably because I sensed that the most important semantic part of the sentence should come at the end in English:

As if I always had another number, another size, every morning I force myself to put on clothes, shoes.

Indosso e calzo ogni mattina forzando, come avessi sempre un altro numero, unโ€™altra taglia.


As to rhythm, as to the sounds in a poem, there are of course major differences between Italian, with its beautiful โ€œopen-mouthedโ€ vowels that necessarily crop up repeatedly in a poem and naturally create assonanceโ€”the juxtaposition of vocalic soundsโ€”and English, whose meter is based on strong stresses and whose typical English sound often derives from alliteration, the repetition of consonant sounds. It is thus often through alliteration that I try to create a rhythmic English sound for an Italian poem whose musical presence might, instead, essentially derive from assonance. As I leaf through Mother Dough, Francaโ€™s second book included in At an Hourโ€™s Sleep from Here, I come across this example. My translation is initially based on a triple alliteration with โ€œw,โ€ then on a double alliteration with โ€œd.โ€ Moreover, the second line shows a shift from the active to the passive voice in English to preserve the Italian word order. It can also be noted that Franca also appeals to some alliteration in Italian, between the second and third lines (โ€œraccolto,โ€ โ€œsacchi,โ€ โ€œscuriโ€) within a melody essentially created by the play of โ€œaโ€ and โ€œoโ€ sounds:

what I am is a window
my weight has been gathered
in dark sacks by the dawn.
[. . .]

quello che sono รจ una finestra
il peso che avevo lโ€™ha raccolto
in sacchi scuri lโ€™alba.
[. . .]



My first four published books were in prose, but I have always written poetry, going back to my adolescence. And those early prose texts were already quite concise, often more poetic prose narratives than short stories; in fact, I tended to call them โ€œapperceptions,โ€ not โ€œstories.โ€ When Franca and I met in 2017, I had already published some poetry books as well as books comprising both poetry and prose; and three of my books, two of which comprised much poetry, had also been translated into Italian.

Our first meeting thus took place under the sign of poetry. In fact, since Franca was putting the last touches on The Little Book of Passage at the time, we discovered that we were both interested in the not-always-distinct boundaries between prose and poetry. The texts in her book are probably best defined as โ€œprose poems,โ€ but several of them succinctly recount an โ€œeventโ€ in a way that also makes them especially concise โ€œpoetic prose narratives.โ€ She also uses both prose poetry and verse poetry, as well as hybrid forms, in her most recent book, Tutti gli ochi che ho aperto, which is forthcoming in my translation, from Black Square Editions, as All the Eyes that I Have Opened.

To answer your question, I donโ€™t think that it is an absolute necessity for a translator translating poetry to be a poet, but it is necessary for the translator of poetry to be deeply attentive to the rudiments of languageโ€”sound, syntax, grammar, punctuation, etymology, synonyms, dictionโ€”and to be an active reader of poetry, much poetry, written in his or her mother tongue as well as in foreign languages via translations. Itโ€™s probably also true that it can be an advantage for a poet to translate a foreign poet with whom he or she has thematic and stylistic affinities, as in my work with Franca. But I have translated a few other poets whose writings are quite different from mine, notably the two other Italian poets whom I have translated, Lorenzo Calogero and Alfredo de Palchi. Interestingly, the task of translating these two poets, especially Calogero, helped me to better define aspects of my own work, such as the theme of the โ€œotherโ€ and how it can be expressed by means of the narrative โ€œIโ€ or the narrative โ€œyou.โ€ One of Calogeroโ€™s own key words, lievitร , โ€œlightness,โ€ continues to fascinate me.



With respect to the liberties that I allow myself when I translate, especially as regards diction, rhythm or style, my primary concern is nearly always the meaning of a poem, all its semantic subtleties, all its semantic resonance. By โ€œsemantic resonance,โ€ I mean the ways with which Franca encapsulates in single words and lines various possible meanings and connotations. That is, the meanings and connotations of a word, an image, can form a kind of bouquet in which the flowers are perhaps related to one other but also remain different among themselves; the whole bouquet can be perceived as such, as a whole, and, if one reads attentively, so can the distinct flowers. A telling example of this occurs with her use of โ€œfalda,โ€ โ€œwater table,โ€ in The Little Book of Passage. At the very end of the text, the word takes on a personal meaning alongside the specific geological one:

In the evening, a cigarette between his fingers, watching the sky darken like moistened soil, my father waters his garden. When heโ€™s standing down there in the farthest corner, hidden by the tomato plants, I can hear the water pouring from the well, streaming down between the dirt clods to the roots awaiting it. Here, where the flow has trickled out, sprout plants with poisonous fruit, stiff stalks of grass with tiny flowers. I havenโ€™t succeeded in hoeing them away, in repairing the water table.

La sera, con una sigaretta tra le dita, guardando il cielo scurirsi come terra bagnata, mio padre annaffia. Quando eฬ€ laggiuฬ€, nascosto dalle piante dei pomodori, nellโ€™angolo piuฬ€ lontano del giardino, posso sentire dal pozzo lโ€™acqua versarsi e scendere tra i granuli, fino alle radici dove eฬ€ attesa. Qui, dove il flusso si perde, crescono erbe dure dal piccolo fiore, piante dal frutto velenoso. Ma non riesco a zapparle via, non riesco a riparare la falda.

Franca is a master at creating such bouquets of sense. Her goal is to keep her poetry as semantically โ€œopenโ€ as possible, and in our work together, we constantly discuss how to do this as well as possible in English, a relatively โ€œmatter-of-factโ€ language with respect not only to Italian but also to the other Romance languages. This task often involves choosing between an English word with a Germanic root and a synonym with a French-Latin derivation, that is, between a noun or a verb which might pin down a fact (and Francaโ€™s poetry always stems from a factual origin) and a more abstract word which, despite its relative vagueness, might nonetheless offer a greater semantic aperture.

The choice is not always easy. For example, in her poem (from Mother Dough) beginning โ€œbuckets scattered about the room, / empty notebooks,โ€ she continues: โ€œTorneranno / a frantumare come infiltrazioni [. . .].โ€ I rendered this as โ€œTheyโ€™ll come back / like leaks that shatter [. . .].โ€ That is, I ultimately preferred โ€œleaksโ€ to โ€œinfiltrations,โ€ not only because of the alliteration between โ€œlikeโ€ and โ€œleaksโ€ but also because it seemed, in this particular case, that the word โ€œleaksโ€โ€”of Old English originโ€”offered a more vivid image and, if stretched a bit, could also express some of the semantic resonance of the original, whereas โ€œinfiltrationsโ€ would remain comparatively vague and introduce connotations not necessarily present in the original. Here is the entire poem in translation:

buckets scattered about the room,
empty notebooks. Theyโ€™ll come back
like leaks that shatter,
but cry anyway and learn
from the overflowing eaves
fonts of holy water
at the door where everyone
heals his hands.

secchi sparsi nella stanza,
quaderni vuoti. Torneranno
a frantumare come infiltrazioni
ma piangi pure e impara
dalle grondaie colme
acquasantiere
sulla porta dove ognuno
si medica le mani.


@ zona|disforme – Carlotta Cicci Stefano Massari

Diction and rhythm can participate in this resonance, of course: the use of a rarer word or, instead, a popular expressionโ€”although Franca nearly always draws on simple common words. Or there can be an echo of a classical meter that creates a kind of โ€œrhythmic recollection,โ€ be it of Dante orโ€”in Englishโ€”of Shakespeare or some other poet whose โ€œtoneโ€ is well-known to readers. Moreover, especially in her first book, Mala Kruna (which is included in At an Hourโ€™s Sleep from Here), Franca sometimes instinctively counts the number of syllables in her lines of verse. And if she has, say, seven or eight syllables in her line and my first translation draft has, say, thirteen, then this might encourage me to seek a metrically more concise solution.

To be very technical, think of how Italian possessive pronouns have two syllables (โ€œmio,โ€ โ€œtuo,โ€ โ€œsuo,โ€ โ€œnostro,โ€ โ€œvostro,โ€ โ€œloroโ€) whereas English possessive pronouns have only one syllable: โ€œmy,โ€ โ€œyour,โ€ โ€œhis,โ€ โ€œher,โ€ โ€œits,โ€ โ€œour,โ€ โ€œyour,โ€ โ€œtheir.โ€ Such minute calculations can come into play, in the translatorโ€™s ear, especially in situations where, idiomatically, Italian does not need a possessive pronoun whereas English usage demands one. In any event, possessive pronouns function completely differently in the two languages. Our English possessive pronouns are based on the โ€œsubject-possessor,โ€ whereas Italian possessive pronouns depend on the gender of the object. This fundamental difference can induce some tricky translatorโ€™s decisions, especially in Francaโ€™s poetry because, in her aspiration to keep her meaning as open as possible and not necessarily associate it with a gendered human โ€œsubject,โ€ she might well also be envisioning a subject that is non-human. Remember that, in English, the possessive pronoun associated with a non-human is โ€œits,โ€ a grammatical fact compounding the problem. The necessity of grammatically distinguishing humans and non-humans, which is required in English but not in Italian, notably arose in the last poem of Mother Dough. At the very end of the poem, Franca uses the word โ€œsalvataโ€ in the feminine case. Does it refer to her as the poet who is โ€œsavedโ€ or to the air (โ€œaria,โ€ also in the feminine case)? She leaves the question open. After much cogitation and discussion with her, I opted for the โ€œairโ€:

every endless night I would sleep
on a blank page. In the morning
a shadow of my weight, some creases
and suddenly it turned: to continue
is this beginning of a new line,
a mouth that passes warmth on
to the air as if it could awake
still be saved.

dormivo su una pagina ogni notte
bianca. Il mattino
unโ€™ombra del mio peso, alcune pieghe
e subito voltava: proseguire
eฬ€ questo a capo del principio,
bocca che passa calore
allโ€™aria come potesse svegliarsi
essere ancora salvata.


Ideally, I try to take no liberties with meaning, keeping my English interpretation as close as possible to Francaโ€™s intentions. This is why our dialogue is so important. I much prefer a close equivalence of meaning to a seemingly โ€œmore musicalโ€ result in which some meaning would be lost. I cringe at the notion of a โ€œfree interpretationโ€ in translation. I have listened closely to another poet whom I translate, the late Philippe Jaccottet, who considered that the search for stylistic smoothness or musicality could sometimes distance a poet from the search for truth. To which can be added Samuel Beckettโ€™s quip that he had decided to write in French, his second language, because it was too easy to be โ€œpoeticโ€ in English. I would argue that Francaโ€™s drive towards succinctness in her verse, a kind of โ€œbone-dryโ€ concision (as she has stated), and her acceptance of โ€œfragmentationโ€ (as opposed to desiring, at all costs, a certain โ€œwholenessโ€ in a text), belong to this same kind of truth-seeking or meaning-seeking poetics.

My standpoint on meaning also has much to do with the kinds of poets whom I translate. Like Franca, the French poets whom I translateโ€”Philippe Jaccottet, Pierre-Albert Jourdan, Josรฉ-Flore Tappy, Pierre Chappuis, Pierre Voรฉlin, to mention only a fewโ€”are intimately and intensely concerned with the meaning of existence, with the significance of the other and otherness, with a human beingโ€™s relationship to the cosmos, and similar psychological, philosophical, and even spiritual issues. Like Franca, these poets are themselves highly conscious and stylistically meticulous producers, through their poetry, of deep new meanings, questions, and vantage points.


Three books by Franca Mancinelli are available from The Bitter Oleander Press: The Little Book of Passage, At an Hourโ€™s Sleep from Here: Poems 2007-2019, The Butterfly Cemetery: Selected Prose 2008-2021. Forthcoming from Black Square Editions is All the Eyes that I Have Opened, the original Italian edition of which won two national prizes in Italy: The Europa in Versi Prize and the San Vito al Tagliamento Prize. Taylor and Mancinelli also carry on a dialogue about literary, philosophical, and spiritual issues: the first part was published in the special feature, on her writing, in the Autumn 2019 issue of The Bitter Oleander; a second part appeared online in Hopscotch Translation (July 2021); and a third part, which was originally broadcast on Trafika Europe Radio, was published in Eurolitkrant (April 2022).


John Taylor is an American writer and translator who lives in France. His most recent books are Remembrance of Water & Twenty-Five Trees (The Bitter Oleander Press) and a โ€œdouble volumeโ€ co-authored with Pierre Chappuis, A Notebook of Clouds & A Notebook of Ridges (The Fortnightly Review Press). [Photo: Franรงoise Daviet-Taylor]


Originally published on Hopscotch Translation
Tuesday, May 23, 2023


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